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[Maurer's conclusions]: This election, like the previous one, will not be decided by the number of votes, but by the Supreme Court. That is my guess...
[Tiezu Star]: hey, has ne1 heard the father son curse?
[Panda-monium]: nope
[Tiezu Star]: it goes like this. . . "Have you heard of the father son curse? John Adams one term, John Quincy Adams one term, 'Pappa' Bush one term, and hopefully W. one term.
[cute-sk8er-chick]: i think Bush is a asshole i hope he loses
[spellcheck]: <poll:35386> vote
[Dil*]: put vote kerry in your moods peeps.
[Tiezu Star]: i used to, let me do it again XD
[Hokage Hagakure]: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[Erykun]: i know grrrrrrr hes wining
[Erykun]: god damit
[amalie]: hopefully kerry will get the rest of the states
[Erykun]: ya i hope so
[amalie]: yupp
[Erykun]: what channel you watchin
[amalie]: norwegian tv, and watching the map on yahoo
[Erykun]: damit bush
[amalie]: there is still hope
[Erykun]: ya i guess
[Dil*]: bush is bloody leading >.<
[Erykun]: i know waaaaaaaaa damit
[Erykun]: must kill bush
[dominoe]: we cant let him win
[FiSHr.]: *sobs* we cant let this happen I HATE U BUSH (a close friend of my mum who lives in america was doing phone-up things for KERRY encouraging peeps to vote for kerry....... bloody hell...... here is a conspiracy theory for you i think that the republicans hacked into the electronic vote machines and switch the vote round in favour of bush....... poor KERRY)
[Cat0132]: Funny, what about the people who slashed tires and called old republican ladys to vote at the wrong place? Well doesn't matter Kerry actually did something right and stepped down, but he's still going to be my senator (damnit)
[FiSHr.]: oh shit another 4 yrs
[Lord Kügenheim]: He won did he? bollocks. i'd like to see what else he can fuck up in 4 years although i would rather not find out...
[Cat0132]: of someone HONEST
[FiSHr.]: i feel sry for you america
[Flowing Destiny]: You people just cant accept the fact that bush won the election. He even won the popular vote by 3.5million over Kerry. That means people liked him more than Kerry. Its not like 2004 were all this shit was going done about stupid chads and shit and where Gore won the popular vote. No no no, this time Bush won the popular vote soooo just deal with it. Any foreign country that has a problem with it can come over here and try to invade us. Just lettin ya know, we'd kick your ass.
[Lord Kügenheim]: Yeah you think that. thats why the British always kick your guys asses during War Games.
[FiSHr.]: calm down guys
[Duredhel]: Bleh, don't think America has that long to go anyway, its not the 1st economic, demographic or technological power in the planet anymore, quoting Machiavelli, "one of the most efficacious (effective, powerful) remedies that a prince can have against conspiracies is not to be hated and despised by the people", when it comes to Bush, you have to think that the people represents not the US but the rest of the world, since Bush's actions have consequences outside the US.
[to a new?]: we got let down...well it was nice knowing all of you...as i see it. we are doomed. this is the worst thing that could possibly happen...chang
[Duredhel]: The main problem with this election is that people believed Bush was actually making America safer
[Flowing Destiny]: Too bad we had to bail your ass out of WW2. I think we shoulda let the Nazi's take over your asses
[Duredhel]: Well grandpah Bush, IBM and Coca Cola would've obviously made a lot more money if the US did not enter the war... oh wait! they kept making money off the Nazis even AFTER the states entered the war.
[Lord Kügenheim]: yeah you think that. We would have lost our land, not before every british soldier had died saving us and we had dropped our chemical gas on the germans. Just think though with the british jet & nuclear programmes in their hands, who is to say the reich wouldnt set up HQ in washington?
[Flowing Destiny]: oh god.....dont you have anything better to do than to think America is always looking out for its self?
[Flowing Destiny]: But the U.S. made its atomic bomb first and we were also making a jet program....and anyway the Nazi's came out with a jet before England did so whats the point of taking your technology...a
[Lord Kügenheim]: look, time is a delecate thing. If you change one thing other things change too. Capture of britain would have usped up the german nuke program to rival the manhatan project. The Nazis would have had a nuke by the time America had one.
[Duredhel]: Hey, I've got nothing about America and the American people, I know a lot of decent Americans, I know a lot of decent republicans, and I dont doubt Bush will (to some extent) do some things to benefit the USA, however it seems that for Bush, "God Bless America" means god damn everyone else
[Peregrinus]: Well... there goes the country... we might as well all go into hiding. I mean, we're sure to be redflagged, by this point.
[Flowing Destiny]: They were already having a nuke...they were in development of it when the Soviets invaded Berlin. They used that and stolen designs from us to make the first soviet nuclear weapon
[Lord Kügenheim]: in 1944, America, Britain, Nazi Germany and the Soviet union all had Nuclear programmes. If germany got britain then it would have the USSR aswel. therefore that leaves both programmes in german hands speeding up their project vastly. They would have both had nukes by the time America and Germany turned on each other.
[to a new?]: we better get iraqs oil out of this...that's the least they can fin do
[Lioness123]: the worlds oil supply will be gone in 50 years anyway. They need to find a new way to run things without oil.
[Tolmeni]: AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[Peregrinus]: Yes. I have no hope left anymore... it is the end... people will continue to hate. They will continue to hurt and kill one another. They will continue to push themselves into the pits of hell through their own ignorance and anger. May God save us all...
[Elvenlord]: Having made an essay about nuclear weapons, I have to say that almost every country has nukes and America has by far the most, on top of that, and I don't know if they said this in America but they said it on Greece, without anything to win from that so it was probably true, in Iraq there *were* used nuclear warheads, especially in underground bombings. Don't be surprised if when your soldiers come back they are glowing. On top of that the fact that many countries have many warhead can potentially turn Earth into Hell in a day. And Bush and his cowboys are pushing it that way...
[Cat0132]: I know plenty about America have the first atomic bombs because I am from Knoxville, my grandfather was a nucleur engineer and helped save 3mile island, and he as well as my dad worked at Oak Ridge...Englan
[De Vierde Macht]: the US loses again 4 years of progress an dgoe sback in time
[Cat0132]: *sighs* you guys, Bush isn't that bad, sure I don't love him, but he's so much better then Kerry, unless you believe if you vote for Kerry everyone is going to get up and walk again...
[De Vierde Macht]: they are both way to right if u ask me, th eonly real left-side candidate i know was Nader
[Dilana]: NOOHOOOOO
[FiSHr.]: "HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE" quote che guevara
[De Vierde Macht]: don't do that, guevare was communist, not socialist, learn to make the difference
[FiSHr.]: HE WAS A FUCKING SOCAILIST U ARE THINKING OF FIDEL
[De Vierde Macht]: c'mon, Ernesto was a communist. read books. Or u could se ehim as a verry left socialist
[Cat0132]: Kerry? right? I think not...though he wasn't as left as some people...thoug
[De Vierde Macht]: i'm speaking in european terms, here in europe kerry would be right. His point of views for teh middle class an dthe economy are typical for LibDems
[FiSHr.]: ok so you calling me a communist because i believe in his ideas huh huh...... anyway communism could jst about work if the leader doesn't get corrupted but it is hard...... and che was a nice man......... read his travel daires......
[De Vierde Macht]: I never called u a communist!!! I kno pretty much about che, and i do believe in his ideals to, but however, I'm a people's nationalist
[bluefarie]: can u friggin' believe that bush is our president again....i mean how stupid r americans???
[FiSHr.]: well im im a extreme left socailist
[bluefarie]: i just hope that bush doesn't run our country into the ground...
[Dil*]: abortion should be legal.
[FiSHr.]: i know the americans are sooooo stupid
[bluefarie]: yes ...
[De Vierde Macht]: ewtreme left socialistm seems communism to me...
[FiSHr.]: well not all of them i mean the democrats and thier followers aren't too stupid
[Cat0132]: abortion should NOT be legal, not for everyone, some situations I understand it's nessicary but most of the time it's people not taking responsiblity when they should, its wrong PERIOD and you can't argue that it isn't
[De Vierde Macht]: i think abortion and euthanasia should eb discusse dcase by case
[Dil*]: yes i can.
[bluefarie]: im just saying that it shouldn't b illegal...
[Dil*]: abortion discussions, go there.
[bluefarie]: no thanx...
[De Vierde Macht]: affardi you'l be beaten?
[Cat0132]: go ahead, but honestly it's like slavery, some people will argue its okay, but the whole world is going to look back and be ashamed we ever allowed something this horrible to happen
[Dil*]: are you joking? abortion isn't a new thing, it's been around for many centries..they just did it in cruder methodes.
[FiSHr.]: i have no comment on abortion
[Cat0132]: slavery had always been, and still is today, yet it's America's biggest mistake, just cause it's 'always been' doesn't make it RIGHT, that's never made ANYTHING right
[Dil*]: huh? slavery, what does abortion have to do with slavery exactly.
[bluefarie]: well...it's either abortion stays legal/ women find their own...(@ it's way more dangerous 4 them..)
[Dil*]: yes, even if they ban it, that doesn't mean people will stop doing it. Black market abortions are more dangerous and could lead to the death of the mother and the fetus as well. So it's the higher body count when it comes down to it.
[bluefarie]: yep...
[FiSHr.]: well im neutral on that topic
[Cat0132]: neither can be justified, both make life 'easier' but are horribly wrong, and both have tried the exuse that its 'always been done' and is therefore okay, I want to be here in a couple hundred years when people realize how incredibly horrible the practice is
[bluefarie]: yeah....
[Cat0132]: well yes, as does the black market trade slaves, but if it isnt as 'safe' (though it has NEVER been very safe) they wont risk it as much, and maybe think before they act
[lil funky squirrel]: lol bush won the elections!i bet u guys are pretty pissed
[Elvenlord]: I agree that Kerry was almost as bad as Bush, and this is one of my greatest questions: Can't you people find one, just *one* proper leader to vote for? Why do you have to vote for the bad or the worse?
[Maurer's conclusions]: Nader would have been the best...
[Cat0132]: I wish we could have someone good to vote for...but alas it's a rock and a hard place...
[Needing Of A Life]: Guess What yall Bush FUCKIN won I HATE HIM *scrams*I WANNA JUST FUCKIN KILL HIS
[Peregrinus]: We know.
[kduncan]: I agree, Ertankano, Nader was by far the best candidate on the presidential ballot. And lil funky squirrel, not pissed, just extremely disappointed to learn how truly gullible the American people are.
[Peregrinus]: Yeesh... yeah, Nader would've been nice. But he never had a chance.
[Panda-monium]: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[Cat0132]: what I really want, is to have Nader president for a week, just so I could see what he would do...
[Dil*]: Nader's the best i think...but i woulda told anyone to vote kerry, because kerry had a better chance...and kerry is better than bush.
[Cat0132]: If only Nader hadn't run all those times before so then everyone wasnt just like "oh brother, Nader AGAIN"
[Panda-monium]: yeah I know. he does have a good campaign but I dont think anyone takes him seriously
[Dil*]: he wasn't even invited to the presidental debates..wtf was with that?
[Cat0132]: he never is, debates always come down to the last 2, it would be weird to have a debate with 3 people so near the end...no not many take him seriously...
[Panda-monium]: in canada, we always have a debate with three parties...cuz we have Three major parties instead of two, even if no one really takes the NDP seriously, they are still a major party.
[Cat0132]: Green isnt very major...no one really cares about Nader, he's really a big joke around here
[Dil*]: so, he still is a presidential candidate...th
[Cat0132]: they would have alot of people if thy did, there are alot of canidates
[Dil*]: umm, there were? but only nadar, bush and kerry were on the ballots right?
[Panda-monium]: nadar wasnt even on some of the ballots
[Cat0132]: oh yeah, there are other parties too, reform, libertarian, conservative, natural law, then there is independant, you can always write in someone if you want, nadar wasnt on all states ballots, though people could still write him in
[Panda-monium]: thats crazy. eldheler, are you from this wiki, or support bush? cuz I seen you on both :P
[Cat0132]: im from support bush...why? you mean our party system? yeah...it sortof is...
[Mystin]: 4 more years of complete devistation
[Panda-monium]: oh I was just confused. I dont care which your from, I mean your civil thats all I care about. and I meant that nadar and others werent on the ballots. That just seems rather biased, I mean I cant vote yet but I think all the parties running in that area get there name on the ballot.]
[kduncan]: Eldheler, two points worth making here: first of all, Nader was not on the Green ticket, he was running as an independent. Secondly, the Green party is the third largest political party in the US, and we're growing. Surely you must know that at one time the Republican was a small third party that not many took very seriously. Did you know that despite the fact that we are the third largest party, and growing, that we accept NO corporate support? That's right, none what-so-ever. It's quite remarkable to have a party in the US growing so rapidly, but shunning corparate support, don't you think?
[Dil*]: amazing..i didn't know that.
[Cat0132]: There weren't any real canidates for the other parties...Nada
[Cat0132]: o wow, comments made while I was commenting, I know he wasnt green this year, and I'm not dissing the green party. Geesh, calm down I'm just saying they aren't taken seriously by most people, I knwo you guys are the third biggest, and earning a little more respect all the time, but Nadar is more of a joke then the green party...
[Panda-monium]: yeah I get what you mean. (*blushes* I have been known to loose my cool, and not be as civil as I would like) and just as I dont dis the NDP or the Green party in Canada, I mean its not the parties fault that ppl take time to adjust to change, but I think that they arent taken very seriously, hopefully that will change and we shall have a little more selection in who to vote for because in America you just have to pick the lesser of two evils, and in Canada its Liberal/Scanda
[kduncan]: Nader was on the ballot in Pennsylvannia, but then taken off. Explain, please, why a person would initially have been on the presidential ballot in a state, and then not on the presidential ballot in a state? Sure Pennsylvannia was one of the "swing" states, but that alone shouldn't be enough to take a person's name off the ballot once they'd already been put on it.
[Cat0132]: I guess, canadians though are different then us, most of them care about the enviroment more then americans, you are different, yet you are right, you are like a REALLY big 51st state...
[Panda-monium]: no we arent. =_= Thats what the conservatives want us to become. We are really very different from America.
[Cat0132]: how?
[kduncan]: I don't think the Green party is a joke in the US, especially since the Dem's blamed us for Gore not winning the 2000 presidential race. One has to consider that if the Greens are enough of a political presence to make a difference in who does/doesn't get elected, that makes us a pretty significant political presence. Although I don't necessarily agree it was Nader being on the 2000 ticket that won Bush the presidency, but the purging of Dem's from the voter rolls in Florida, one certainly can't ignore the presence of the Greens anymore, or shrug us off as a mere "joke".
[kduncan]: Panda-monium, being of Canadian birth myself, I have to say that Canadians are very different from Americans. Canadaian cities are overall cleaner and safer than American cities, Canadians are overall more polite than most Americans, and Canadains are more environmentall
[Cat0132]: The Dems needed someone to blame, though I can't see many people being able to STAND Gore for 4 years...but he makes for awesome SNL skits. The thing with green is that most green members vote dem cause they know green isnt going to make it, though some democrates are worried (around here anyways) most people shrug off the green party, not that I agree with that at all it's just how it is.
[kduncan]: Eldheler, you know enough Greens to make the statement about Greens voting Democrat?
[Cat0132]: They are more enviromently aware, though not always culturally (not dissing canadians, I know some very nice candians myself, and not saying all arent), cities maybe cleaner and safer, but I love our dirty big busy cities, but I would hardly say they are more polite! Have you ever been to the south? I think not, I'm from the south, the people there are so nice!
[kduncan]: I live in the south. Our Canadian visitors are far more polite than the people who live here.
[Cat0132]: I know that alot of greens vote dem cause they feel only dems can win, and have closer values then republicans
[Cat0132]: Florida isnt the south...the south is mississippi, tennesse, carolinas, alabma, and lousiana
[kduncan]: That wasn't the question. The question was: How many Greens do you actually know? Personally? You know, people you are friends with, who are Greens, who have told you they vote the odds rather than their conscience?
[kduncan]: Florida isn't the south? How the heck do you get that? I'm not talking Miami or Orlando here, I'm talking bible thumping country. How do you figure that 45 miles from the Alabama border isn't south?
[Cat0132]: I have alot of friends who are seniors, and green, the ones who could vote voted for Kerry, one voted Nadar, they didnt want Bush, they didn't like Nadar much either, so they went kerry, greens didnt have much of a choice this year, not even a actually canidate from there party
[kduncan]: Not true, the Greens did have a presidential candidate on the ballot: David Cobb.
[Cat0132]: where in florida? florida isnt considered the south, because most of florida is not 'native' if you know what I mean, my sister lives in florida and I visit a average of 3 times a year, people there aren't very nice. But tennessee and around there they are all so nice, thats my birthplace so I go there alot too...
[Cat0132]: they did? he wasnt on the ballot was he?
[kduncan]: Yes, he was on the ballot.
[kduncan]: I'm assuming then, that you're native American? Otherwise, you're not exactly 'native' either.
[Cat0132]: I'm not sure if he was here, my mom said she didn't see him on the ballot...
[Cat0132]: I mean most Floridians are old people from here, people who moved there from places like here to escape the cold, or hispanic, I'm not native in any sense of the word, but my family was one of the first groups of "Americans" to settle on the far side of the mountians...bu
[kduncan]: Then she missed it somehow, he was on the ballot in Massachusettes
[Cat0132]: Because she isn't GREEN, she's independed but a strong Bush supporter (I'm not a strong Bush supporter...I support him but she's a little over the top) she went knowing who she would vote for, even though its a hopeless case considering the grossly liberal state I live in...
[kduncan]: Maybe most people in south Florida are old people who have moved there from other places, obviously you haven't been to north Florida, also known as the "real" Florida. I bet there are a few redneck boys around here driving around with confederate flags waving fom the antenna's of their pick up trucks who'd likely kick the tar out of anyone who said they weren't real "suthners". You really can't make an observation about an entire state if you've only ever visited one part of it. That's be like saying that all people from Tennessee are illiterate because illiteracy rates are high in some areas of Tennessee.
[kduncan]: Because she isn't Green? Odd statement. I mean, she didn't even know who her options were.
[Cat0132]: Florida still isnt considered 'the south', so I'm guessing your from north florida? and dont make the assumption that I havent been more then one place in Florida, I have been alot of places, since my sister moves alot, I have seen more Florida then my own home state, and I have lived here for almost a dozen years! It's not like saying people in Tennessee are illiterate, because thats a stero-type, alot of people are very intelligant there, espically where I come from, where the Atomic Bomb was made. But everywhere within the deep south people have been extermly curtious and nice, I've been all over the south...thanks to my uncle's expedetions for 'the perfect molasses'
[Cat0132]: She doesn't believe in what the greens believe, just cause she has a different opinion then you doesn't mean you can say she doesn't know who shes voting for...
[kduncan]: Saying that, and this is a direct quote, "most Floridians are old people from here, people who moved there from places like here to escape the cold, or hispanic" is a sterotype about the people of an entire state based on what you know of a small part of that state. Did you know that the average media age of Gainesville, Florida is twenty-six? That hardly qualifies Gainesville as a retirement haven. If you make a generalised statement like the one you made, you're stereo-typing people. And yes, Florida is part of the south, you may not like it, but the fact is that Florida is the most southern part of the US.. it is, and will always be, part of the south.
[kduncan]: And by the way, illiterate doesn't mean un-intelligent
[kduncan]: Eldheler, not knowing who is on the ballot means you haven't considered all of your options. KNowing who is on the ballot doesn't mean you necessarily believe in what the people listed on the ballot believe in, it simply means that you're aware of your options.. and your mother clearly wasn't.
[Shee A'beanne Alainn]: Well...Hell has settled in USA and now the ruler of terror has returned to power *sighs*.....
[Erykun]: damit bush one again its not fair thats it i am so moving to canada hows with me
[Shee A'beanne Alainn]: We will take you as refugee's from an evil man...just so long as you can learn our history and learn to hate Paul Martin....
[Erykun]: huh
[Shee A'beanne Alainn]: huh?...I donlt get it, are you lost or is that a responce?
[Tiezu Star]:
[Shee A'beanne Alainn]: yeah no kidding...Im sorry but this guy is crazy...He had no reason to invade, he had no reason, now he doesn't have the money or strenght to continue what he started....
[Cat0132]: There is not going to be a draft, and if you'd rather go to jail then serve your country...wow, I love how everyone says they are moving to canada and never do, all well, and alot of Florida is hispanic, Miami is over 60% but there is nothing wrong with hispanics, in fact I love there values but they are the southern american type with soul food and "y'all", most only the beaches are retiries, most of them from where I live, everyone my sister knows/works with are like her, fleeing from the cold up here, and when I (and most others) say 'the south' they don't mean directionaly, they mean soul food country, oldtime country with southern twang/accents, the sterotypical 'southerner' that south
[Tiezu Star]: how did hispanics come into this . . . oh and I heard this from the news about a draft so don't say thier won't thats wat everyone says their won't but thier WILL be one not soon but in the near future.
[amalie]: im just werry happy im not american
[Cat0132]: Ok, they guy who said tehre would be a draft is a exertemly left man, he claimed Bush wanted a draft, why is that not believable? There is NOT going to be a draft, the army has to turn people away there are so many volenteers, there is not going to be a draft period
[Erykun]: what
[Sven Welkenson]: I think it's hilarious how you guys, most of whom couldn't have even voted in this election so your whining is pointless, think that all of America's problems are b/c of Bush.
[Erykun]: shud up
[Cat0132]: shud? is that a new word or something? and you dont understand what i said before read the comments before, and if you still dont understand forget it...
[Sven Welkenson]: Shud up? That's funny too. At least you know I'm right.
[Erykun]: no its an experssion
[Cat0132]: Experession?
[Erykun]: ya
[Sven Welkenson]: No, you're both wrong...it's not spelling correctly.
[Erykun]: ya its just another why to say shut up
[Cat0132]: Erm, I knew that, and I agree with you as well, I'm not part of this wiki, I was just trying to make a point, which turned into a disscusion about what 'the south' really is...
[Sven Welkenson]: I wasn't paying attention to that. I made my own argument.
[Cat0132]: so its not 'another way' it's like saying 'y' is another way of saying 'why' if you want to seem intelligent spell at least SHORT and UNCOMPLICATED words correctly...
[Erykun]: ummmmm ok
[Sven Welkenson]: And you people say Bush is an idiot.
[Cat0132]: Haha...I know...
[Erykun]: he is
[Sven Welkenson]: Then why is he the president? You might not have a lot of common sense mind you...but he's president.
[Cat0132]: at least he doesn't say 'shud up', wow...that is deffiantly one I have never seen before.
[Erykun]: i don't give a hoot if he is hes an idiot
[Sven Welkenson]: A hoot you say???
[Erykun]: waaaaaaaaaaaaa
[Erykun]: ya heheh
[Sven Welkenson]: Why not? You make fun of Bush for supposedly being an 'idiot.' So why not make fun of you?
[Erykun]: because hes old leave me alone
[Sven Welkenson]: Oh wow...not old. Heaven forbid that someone be old. HE'S 58!!!!! THAT"S ANCIENT!!!!
[Erykun]: grrrrrrrrrrrrr
[Sven Welkenson]: Oh no...not the dreaded grrrrrrrrr. Be afraid...
[Erykun]: meany
[Sven Welkenson]: I'm not being mean, I'm being realistic.
[Erykun]: *evil glare*>.>
[Sven Welkenson]: I mean come on, you're 13. You're not old enough to care who's president and you're five years from being able to vote. Which means it'll eight years before you can do anything about. I bet you're parents don't like Bush. That's the real reason you don't like him.
[Sven Welkenson]: Politics is the least of your worries. You need to focus more on your school work. That way you can learn proper English. ^_^
[Erykun]: hey grrrrrrrrrrrrr
[Sven Welkenson]: Hello, how are you?
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